Redefining Healthcare:Part 1 A Holistic Approach with Dr. Cammy Benton

Join us on a transformative journey as we chart a new course for modern healthcare, guided by the wisdom and experience of Cammy Benton MD. Cammy, a functionally trained doctor, has an innate curiosity and commitment to the holistic and integrative approach to health. Through her personal experiences and her patients' stories, she's seen the stark contrast between traditional medical practices and the path she has chosen. Our conversation ignites a spark of hope, highlighting the potential for a more holistic, patient-centric approach that places the power back into the hands of the individuals.

We tread into the complex territories of the opioid epidemic, the role of pharmaceutical companies, and the controversial topic of vaccines. Cammy shares her insights on these pressing issues, emphasizing the need for informed consent and a shift away from blanket policies. We also examine the spiritual aspects of health. Cammy's experiences with plant medicine and her emphasis on setting sacred intentions present a fascinating perspective on healthcare, where mind, body, and spirit work in harmony towards healing.

Cammy's journey is a testament to the power of self-love and its role in healing. She shares her touching personal experiences, reflecting on her connection with spirituality and the transformational role of plant medicine in her life. With a deep understanding of the societal conditioning that often hinders our self-love, Cammy throws light on the path to self-discovery and healing. Whether you're a healthcare professional, a patient seeking alternatives, or someone interested in holistic health and healing, join us as we explore the interconnectedness of medical systems, society, and spirituality.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome. Welcome Our guest today.

Speaker 2: 0:03

Cammy Benton MD is a functional medicine trained MD who owns Benton Integrated Medicine, a holistic direct primary care office in Huntersville. She has studied integrative modalities since graduating medical school in 2000 to include nutrition, homeopathy, ayurveda and functional medicine. In recent years she is exploring more mind-body spirit paths to apply to her medicine practice. Her hobbies are learning about everything and finding more rabbit holes, dancing, enjoying time with her beloved Kyle Hall and eating dinner at home with her four children between kids sports. Her goal is to try and make the world a better place in every way she can and honor her path that God is providing for her.

Speaker 1: 0:50

Welcome.

Speaker 3: 0:51

Thanks for having me, I love you guys Much love.

Speaker 4: 0:57

Let's get into it. Talk to us a little about functional medicine and your path on functional medicine and where you're going and where you've been.

Speaker 3: 1:07

It might be easier to step back before then the whole track.

Speaker 3: 1:11

I grew up not seeing doctors. We didn't go to the doctor. Growing up I had this idea of medicine, like I think, a lot. We had this romantic idea of what medicine is supposed to be. When I was in residency, you quickly saw how they dismissed people's concerns. We talked to not listen to patients, While being taught to listen to patients. It was like this interesting duality of the world that we see. It's like that interesting. Like, oh, we set a patient-physician relationship but then when the patient comes to me with something that was really hard for them, they turn into oh, reading Dr Google too much and they don't know enough about that. You get taught to dismiss what their concerns are, and that just always felt wrong to me. And so I just go back and like I don't know the answer to your problem, but they don't either, so I believe you and I just don't know what to do about it. That's what I would have to say then, and so that kind of sparked me to start learning more nutrition and herbal medicines.

Speaker 3: 2:12

I mean I really had no idea what naturopaths were. I mean I knew nothing, we didn't just go to the doctor. So I remembered driving to Lincolnton to work, my very first year of practice, white and knuckled, going down the Tulane road and I'm like what have I done? Like is this medicine? Like I'm just doling out pills, I'm just treating this side effect with this pill and then, having treated that side effect with this pill, it was depressing. And then I met a homieapath who was speaking at the South Park Mall, and there's a whole other field of medicine out there.

Speaker 3: 2:50

Wait what? And I was like, but I was working like at that time, probably about 60 or 70 hours a week. I just didn't work it. I didn't have time to even think about learning a whole other field of medicine. So then I have kids and then I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but they had vaccine reactions and they all had vaccine reactions and I had to figure it out and I had to learn the hard way.

Speaker 3: 3:14

It took me several years to figure it out. I was in the hospital with my kids health just falling and then, through all of that, I had to learn a little bit of. I had to take them to the homieapaths and functional medicine doctors and I'm like, why are they fixing them Then?

Speaker 3: 3:28

I don't want to be able to do this too, because, again, I was just very pill-figured ill, not that my hard mind was that way, but my training was that way and I just didn't have any other tools. And so that inspired me then to study functional medicine, because I felt something that I could mix into regular medicine easier, because it still has a very allopathic nature to it in the sense that like here's your disease, here's your herbal who are it?

Speaker 3: 3:56

But it's still root cause, in the sense that you look at all the systems together. It's still very holistic though, even though it's allopathic in nature, meaning. So people don't know. So homieapathy is like the disease, allopathy is like against the disease. So you have like antibiotic, anti-parietic, anti-inflammatory Homieapathy is like the disease, so like here's like you burn yourself.

Speaker 3: 4:18

Put it under warm water, not cold water. It's like it's that kind of thing Right? So I did the functional medicine, which actually I thought for me it was like man. This is amazing. It reignited my passion for medicine and made more sense. And next thing, you know, I'm sitting for the integrative medicine boards and the VP of the corporation I worked for at the time she's concerned. She's going to run up by the risk management. I'm like give her board certification. I'm like what are you talking about? She's like it's holistic and it's very risky. And I'm like but I'm teaching people how to eat for their health, you know, and I'm giving very safe medicines that have been used for like centuries, if not longer.

Speaker 4: 5:05

Yeah, we talked into that like the homieapathy, wasn't that before it's, before the function of the.

Speaker 3: 5:11

Yeah, homieapathy is actually the actual form of medicine that's been around since Germany about two well over 200 years. So that's been a shorter time and that is a very specific form, as those little sugar pellets and like you can see a whole foods, whatever, and it's almost really more energetic medicine. So it's like the it's so dilute you can't really measure the medicine, so it's so you can actually give it to a baby. They could choke on it, but they're not going to die from the reaction. It's super safe.

Speaker 4: 5:40

It's based on plants right.

Speaker 3: 5:43

Based on toxins, plants, snake remedies. I mean this is why people are scared of it, like maybe it's got snake poison in there. It's all about the dose, right. So it's the energetic whiff of it and so that's what the light cures like. So, like Belladonna, if you look at Belladonna, the toxin, the plant, it creates all those toxic reactions, but it actually mimics that kid with an ear infection that's screaming, red face and kind of out of her mind, screaming and in pain. And so Belladonna matches the symptoms of toxicities. They get up to the kid and suddenly within like it can be, sometimes within 15 to 30 minutes, their ear pain is gone or their strep throat is gone, Like gone.

Speaker 3: 6:21

It's not a suppressive thing. It's similar to your body to like take over and heal Not a homeopath and like to do good homeopathy. You need to always spend time with the medicine and getting to know it, Sort of like plant medicine in general like you get to know the medicine, you get to know the characteristics of it and you start developing this intuitive hiss about like what people do well with it, and then you start doing it with chemistry.

Speaker 3: 6:45

Yeah, it's amazing. It's chemistry, energetic and so that my oldest kid was transformed like I thought she had Like Asperger's, like that sort of odd. My ex-husband was a. Her dad was an engineer so I was like it's kind of your fault.

Speaker 1: 7:03

The weird kid.

Speaker 3: 7:05

But when we did homeopathy with her, suddenly she went from this robotic laugh like weird laugh to belly laughing and cat laughing and she went from she would never sit on my lap to suddenly sit on my lap and let me reach her. Within a month of homeopathy it transformed her. And my second kid, she developed an autoimmune disease at two and a half and I can't say it's definitely vaccine reactions, but there's the. There's definitely an autoimmune component to side effects when you look at the aluminum adjuvant solutions and stuff in vaccines. And anyway, so cured her. Within six months of homeopathy she went from the pediatrician saying oh, this is the classic presentation for dermatomyositis, which is the disease that she had to. At the end, when she was cured, oh, I must have been wrong. You know, because they don't believe in homeopathy. You know, if you read about homeopathy, it's either a waste of time as a placebo to it's really dangerous. They're taking it off the market, they're playing it in both ways.

Speaker 4: 8:05

That was a large pharmaceutical company's was that started.

Speaker 3: 8:07

that was where the switch switch, oh yeah back in the 1920s, rockefeller totally took over the medical system and they basically criminalized anyone practicing integrative medicine at then, and so this has been a hundred year fight to really get back that. So even with functional medicine, I found myself which for me it was really based on the first two years of medical school. It's like pathophysiology, chemistry, embryology, all those really nice things when we study the function as a lot. This is like first two years of medical school when I was trained oh, don't worry, you can forget all this stuff when you get into medicine. You get to learn the fun stuff about how to treat diseases and that's the mindset of it.

Speaker 3: 8:48

And so then when I learned functional medicine, like wait, this is good. Back to the first two years, we were told to forget literally. Don't worry, you can forget all this when you get into clinical rotations. It's when you go back to that mindset of it. It's just crazy. So then I was able to experience not only being kind of an outcast for practicing functional medicine which if you look at Wikipedia is really a hate filled speech against anything in a grade of a snake oil is terrible. Then kids were vaccine injured like how dare you so? Then me as a medical side, I had got to experience the rejection by my peers and then my kids.

Speaker 3: 9:32

I still had to create a clinic to have a safe place to go, and what a blessing it was for me to have that ability to create my own safe haven for my kids. And then we became basically a refugee clinic for the rural area, for people who just wanted to have choice for the medical care.

Speaker 3: 9:50

Like whether it's vaccines or prescriptions, or I even have a diabetic or two that like I just don't want to be. I just want you to kind of monitor me. I know I'm just running my body and like, so I just give them love each time I'm here for you to like no, these are the risks of you not treating it, but I'm here to give you love, Whereas in a regular practice they're. You're graded on the quality of care metrics, which sounds like a good idea. We have to checkbox everyone's health issues, and if you don't meet the criteria, it hurts your score. So then I started meeting doctors who are firing their patients for non compliance in order to have better scores, and so their bonuses are based upon the compliance for the quality of care metrics.

Speaker 4: 10:38

Right, yeah, I'm my primary care physician. We left the practice. They were in, they were doing that. I really stuck with the drug.

Speaker 2: 10:46

Well, because you're no longer treating the patient at that point in time.

Speaker 3: 10:49

No, you get 15 minutes.

Speaker 2: 10:51

That's against. That goes against. This is just true. This is fact.

Speaker 3: 10:54

That goes against the Hippocratic code Right everything in medicine for me right now goes against the democratic code.

Speaker 2: 11:02

Well, that's the culture we're currently in.

Speaker 4: 11:06

Basically, everything you're doing is actually giving people their autonomy, basically, and helping them how they want to be helped and giving them that choice rather than working with them individually. They have the choice to like the diabetic person you know, to not take care of themselves as much, but still not be shamed or sent off.

Speaker 3: 11:29

They fire patients. It seems like there's a system and everything has to fit within this framework, and if it doesn't, then we know so much more this day than ever in our modern history, because now, instead of ancient history, it's like a whole thing, right, as you guys know. But in modern history we know so much more for personalized medicine. I mean, there's no reason why we should ever have Algorithms are meant to, should be meant for a guideline. Hey, you know, these are options. These medicines are good for this.

Speaker 3: 12:01

These medicines are good for this you have to look at the person in front of you. And but again, if you're trained from the very beginning to not trust your patient and we teach them, we're gas-signing patients on a regular basis. So now what we've done, we've disabled people from taking care of their own health, and that's one thing I can proudly say. From the very beginning, it's like I make patients mad. My job is to teach you not to need to see me for a sinusitis when it's really cold, and that's how you treat your cold to prevent sinusitis. And they're getting mad at me because what they've done is being trained that unless they go to the doctor, they get a prescription. Then you've wasted their time and their money. Right, and then part of your quality care medicines is also partly patient satisfaction. So it's for a group being who give them what they want and then they give you good ratings by giving Xanax Percoses. I mean, look at the opioid epidemic. It was created by physicians, Physicians.

Speaker 2: 12:55

Well, which is one way to look at it, just to be.

Speaker 3: 12:57

Inbarmal.

Speaker 2: 12:58

I was going to say to be clear, because if you go in and you look at the documentary, physicians were a part of it. But I don't want to uphold all physicians, because physicians were in a system that was already inherently training them to do this, so they had fallen into a state of unknowing. Versus, if you go back and look at how it came into being in the family of the associate, like they actually knew and still are not being held accountable. Knew and their objective was not only to get it throughout the United States, but then they knew they, I believe it was determined that there was a belief that if they could get it into Europe, they could get it everywhere in the world, with no one having any means of the rich to stop it, because the addiction would be so great.

Speaker 3: 13:46

Well, the beauty is that they the pattern is repeated throughout history is that they create the cure and they create the poison right.

Speaker 4: 13:55

So, whether it's it's a great business model.

Speaker 3: 13:58

It's an amazing business model. So there's all these amazing treatments from those same companies that created the opioid epidemic. I mean you look at a lot of the top chemotherapy companies also create the top pesticides that are used. So they're getting money on both sides. Then again you look at COVID. Whether you want to believe or not, like we created the poison and then the quote here for it and we were dictated what was allowed to be used in that situation. That had to be only high priced pharmaceutical products.

Speaker 2: 14:37

Right Without, and just for clarity here, because going back to the NERM of trials without informed consent.

Speaker 3: 14:43

Without informed consent. Right yeah, because literally, the which is key, that's why?

Speaker 2: 14:47

Because this A lot of what we're talking about here is choice right and sovereignty Sure.

Speaker 3: 14:53

Right, I mean, I could go deeper into that whole thing if you want, but another example of lack of informed consent and medication is fluoride and drinking water. So here we have. They knew it was a toxin and they put it into our drinking water because it does help with cavities, great Helps with cavities.

Speaker 3: 15:11

But it also harms your thyroid. The number one prescription in this country is thyroid medicine, but we're fluoridating all the water, which we know causes thyroid problems. It causes problems with the bone densities. It can cause bone cancer. It can cause calcification of the pineal gland, which in these circles we understand how important is the pineal gland. So we know it's a toxin and yet we're still celebrating it. I was trained to put fluoride drops in and drink in water for babies. But if you're actually having fluoridation of water in mass, then you're not taking into account your health issues versus your health issues, versus a baby's weight or kidney function or liver function versus an adult who drinks a ton of water, who drinks soda all the time. So we're mass medicating a population already and no one realizes the risk and the benefits. And again, I've shared a lot of studies with Dennis. I do this all the time and they don't like it and they get upset when you share with them like, but what about these studies about this? And they get kind of.

Speaker 4: 16:18

It's like making connections to your teeth, to your organs too, as well. The meridians and having that talk with Dennis about that before, and they're just kind of totally dismissive.

Speaker 3: 16:26

I mean, I was told mercury is not toxic. I'm like, literally the EPA said zero amount of mercury is allowed, but they'll still defend the use of mercury and when there's other options that are safer these days.

Speaker 3: 16:40

I mean this is about rabbit holes. When I speak of rabbit holes, literally in every field of medicine I've gone down all these rabbit holes, but then that bleeds over in the life and other industries and other Like when you do politics or government. You have foreign wars, the military industrial complex, all those things that makes you question everything. You're like what's real?

Speaker 3: 17:05

What's not real, and that's where I think we're at, that. We're at a time in history again, probably like what happened in the 60s, where they were questioning everything too, and they just come in with their hammer and they shut it down, and then we'll go back to their Scurry, back to their corners, and we better behave. We better? I think so. Then how do we stop that kind of pattern in history where we start to have this awakening and then the government, they stop again?

Speaker 1: 17:36

How do we?

Speaker 3: 17:36

stop this. How do we keep this peaceful revolution of this awakening and this connection to each other, this true speaking?

Speaker 4: 17:45

I think it starts with the ground level, and we keep working.

Speaker 3: 17:48

Don't? You guys are?

Speaker 4: 17:49

doing that? Yeah, sure, right yeah.

Speaker 4: 17:53

And I really think that there are people who think that the best thing to do like they know better. You know what I mean Like it's like you gotta do these blanket things for everybody. You know what I mean. Like there's this thing like in order to keep society functioning and everything like that, we have to have these. Like yeah, every rule doesn't apply to every single person. We need to have these blanket things because that's how we keep things in order. It's obviously a control thing and I think some people I don't think it's necessarily. I mean, obviously there's a lot of people who see the prophets and everything but something we really feel like it's just this is how we keep some structure to things you know and keep other things.

Speaker 3: 18:30

Otherwise it would just be complete chaos, anarchy, exactly, and so I think there's a huge fear of that.

Speaker 4: 18:36

that underlies all of fear. Fear Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Well, another thing, because I want to. We're not advocating for anarchy.

Speaker 1: 18:46

No, no, no.

Speaker 2: 18:49

Unless you can have a peace-wanderer. I mean because we're, I mean. So I just want to emphasize too, because people, we know this, because we can have struggles just in dialogues ourselves a little alone with other people, and you know I'm not anti anything, you know, but I'm told I am, you know automatically, because, again, propaganda and how you go about creating greater the polarization yeah, separation, separation separation, because then you can never come together.

Speaker 2: 19:18

Right, which is the core objective, because, at the end of the day and I just I want to state this before we move on I would say core premise for each of us here, let alone a lot of the people that we know and we had discussions with, is we want clean water, clean land, clean food, clean air and the ability to gather and assist and commune with one another in a loving and peaceful way. Right? So I'm just For any listeners, I'm just establishing that as a foundational basis of where we're coming from.

Speaker 3: 19:54

Those are basic rights, Absolutely. Those are just Well they're more than basic.

Speaker 2: 19:59

I mean that's natural law.

Speaker 1: 20:00

Natural law. Let's be clear, that's natural law.

Speaker 3: 20:03

Right and people do have good intentions, I think. By I mean, when you look at all the chaos in the world, I mean they're not all bad people Like these are people who just think they're doing the right thing. Like even during COVID, you were completely polarized. There are these two warring groups in each side. It was like I'm more right than the other side, and each of them, in their own minds, were looking out for the best they knew how to do, you know. But the problem is is like, when you start dissecting, where's a lot of that stuff coming from? And that's the control structure from high up, and it's the repetition and the TV programming and mass yes, the mass psychosis that happened and it was using fear, and that's why there was no accident that we were like told to stay six feet apart, because you measure people's energy up to six feet away from your you measure energy from your body.

Speaker 3: 21:00

Yeah, we're talking about the shorting field. Yeah, the shorting field, it's like Energy bubble. The energy bubble is theoretically up to about that point. A lot of times it's.

Speaker 2: 21:10

By the way and this is science-based things that we're talking about now- so, anyone can look this up to?

Speaker 3: 21:16

Oh yes, Thank you for pointing that it's not just hippie-dippie stuff, it's a lot of scientific. And so then when you're sitting there telling people, so not only were we told to isolate, we were told to isolate, and if you get this you're going to die, and if you go out you're going to kill someone, and then, but you need to stay six feet away from someone. I mean, we were so isolated even on the energetic, spiritual level.

Speaker 2: 21:39

And everything naturally could assist us was taking. So force, force the beaches were taking up.

Speaker 3: 21:46

We're closed down playgrounds. Yeah, salt everything that we would Thank you.

Speaker 2: 21:51

Everything that we need fighting with D in general staying at home.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Yeah Right.

Speaker 3: 21:55

I even saw commercials during that time. I remember this first sunscreen. They're like even indoors you could be, you know, attacked by the sun, and I saw like attacked by the sun.

Speaker 4: 22:04

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 22:04

And they're like you need sunscreen for inside your house and I'm like, like it was like that level of alarm that was raised and again, your average person is going to be susceptible to that fear because at that time, like what's going on? Of course, and.

Speaker 3: 22:21

I mean a lot of people we're already sniffing the stuff away before this thing even happened. And so then, when this happened, you're like, how are we following for this thing again? You know, but they successfully have like on Facebook. You know, I've done a lot of my education on Facebook before and as soon as, like, google and the government decided they needed to stop out the misinformation, I couldn't, I didn't have reach anymore and then I was banned. I was banned for sharing CDC articles, like literally banned for like 90 days for sharing three CDC articles that were inconvenient information, so that so we become the the creative silos of like whatever you believed in you're being like that's the information you get, and even for the conspiracy theorists, that's all you get. Was that? So it's kind of this bizarre. They had a whole documentary about that. It was about and it had people from Google and Facebook and Twitter and how they actually engineered it to like I'm going to give you all that you believe in and that's how you're going to see Right.

Speaker 4: 23:27

And that's kind of what it is right now still, and it's a digital separation of groups, yeah, which creates that polarization.

Speaker 3: 23:30

that's fueling that. You know, I do think a lot of what I keep thinking when you're talking about.

Speaker 4: 23:32

This is like what you're doing is like rehumanizing, you know like actually like treating each individual as an individual. You know like I think that's so much about like re-empowering people to take their own health into their own hands.

Speaker 1: 23:50

Right.

Speaker 4: 23:52

Where these other systems seems like they all dehumanize.

Speaker 1: 23:54

Right.

Speaker 4: 23:55

You know and put oh, you go into this, you know this. It's almost like technology, I mean, it's like looking at things in charts and graphs and stuff like that. Each person is a number and there's a way that it fits in. If it doesn't fit in, then you know that's not looking at the human. Where do you? Yeah, where do?

Speaker 3: 24:10

you humanizing everyone, on the very basic level, down to sex. Yeah, right Like even sex, the conception that we're missing, like whether it's church or wherever. We're losing that sacred, that sacred connection, that sacred conception, that creative energy that you learn about in this sort of small national world as that, even if you're not making babies, you're, it's creation energy. And so I have so many women who come to see me. You know the infertility issues and then you find out oh, you don't even love yourself.

Speaker 3: 24:42

You know, you don't even have to wait until your husband, you know, and because they're so isolated, because we're raising boys and I'm so thankful for the Joshua Project, because right now society's raising boys to be emotionally absent, because they're afraid to show emotion we have all these women who are experiencing the toxic feminine in response to the toxic patriarch. So they are like fighting each other because they're trying to. That's the classic abuse kind of things. They're trying to fight each other, you know, on top to get favor of the man over there. When you guys have the sacred, how you guys hold the sacred, you know, compartments for women for us to feel safe, then we can actually not have to compete with each other. I think we can support each other and so even that's like critical.

Speaker 3: 25:30

When I talk functional medicine to people, they come kind of surprised or expected me to do some kind of like, oh, here's this algorithm or you've got this disease. I do talk about that, but like let's go back to really root causes, your spiritual traumas, your spiritual energetic traumas from potentially your mom didn't want another kid, you know, or like your dad didn't want a girl, or those things that go all the way back to pregnancy and, as you know. So a lot of people don't realize that, like when your grandmother was pregnant with your mother, the eggs that created you was inside your mother's womb, like you're in your mother's egg at that time. So you were part of you genetically in your grandmother at some point, and so you think about the traumas and things that are so different back then.

Speaker 1: 26:21

Right, and how that?

Speaker 3: 26:23

and we have mainstream science shows even that traumas during pregnancy can impact long term health of the kids. So there's higher rates of schizophrenia, higher rates of autoimmune disease. So you throw grandma's history in there, you throw mom's history in there. Epigenetic expression is the turning on of genes. So we have like not more, many more genes than hematode really. But then why are we so? Much more complex is the expression of all these genes, and so you're having all these genes turned on from these exposures through emotional, environmental traumas, like it could be like abuse or mold you know, you have vaccines.

Speaker 3: 27:05

You have the physical things, the vaccines formaldehyde and the foreign. You got the in the couch. You got the flame retardants and baby stajams. For some reason it's flame retardants that have all these things that are affecting our genes from infancy on. So you have to go all the way back then to figure out to use away all that stuff.

Speaker 4: 27:27

Can you explain, because I know they changed the way the vaccines work from like the 60s and 70s and 80s.

Speaker 1: 27:33

What is the 20 minutes?

Speaker 3: 27:34

Yeah, so back in my so my mom is 76 now, so when she was a kid there were only about 10 doses of vaccines in that era. So you hear people like, oh, I did all the vaccines, what's the problem with everyone now?

Speaker 4: 27:52

So there were 10 doses of vaccines.

Speaker 3: 27:53

And probably about that point the wealthier ones or the ones in the cities got easier access to vaccines. So they maybe about only about 50% of the population was even vaccinated at that time because of access. So they really worked on getting access throughout the decades because you could imagine it's not 100% right away, so it took a long time. And then by the time so I'm 50, so by the time I was, you know 70s and 80s kind of vaccine schedule it was we had about 24 doses of vaccines Our entire life at that time.

Speaker 3: 28:25

Even then, in 1986, it passed a law that protects vaccine makers from any lawsuits because they were being sued too much for neurologic injury due to the DTP vaccine and so you cannot sue them. Not even. There's a second lawsuit that says not even if it's a manufacturing issue can you sue them. You cannot sue them. Anything on the chocolate vaccine schedule is 100% protected and instead of the pharma being held responsible, then the governor's a government court. That if again, the complex of interest within that is another whole story in itself. So then after that there were different protections so they tripled the vaccine schedule. So before a code of vaccines there were 24 doses of vaccines by six months of age. Four to six doses by six years of age, because after 1986 is when they started to add them in.

Speaker 3: 29:16

I would say early 90s is when they really like, oh like, we're going to add all we want, and so then they. So now there's over 70 doses of vaccines by the time you're 18. So now you add in code vaccines which we basically needed an infusion to get it to work long enough, because they're like every couple months is like it wears off, and they're encouraging it from six months on. So the interesting thing is the with the experimental use authorization. So that's where a lot of it things went wrong with. I think the pandemic is that to have an EU way in emergency use authorization, you cannot have an alternative treatment that's effective and that's why they demonize anything they were trying to do, from beta diet like iodine and the nasal rinses to vitamin D, sunshine and your immune system became suddenly not true, like the abramectin, all the more controversial, very safer than how all meds they're all demonized so.

Speaker 3: 30:18

But then so it has protection, legal protection. So they actually put it on to the childhood vaccine schedule a couple months ago to now have lifetime protection. You will never be able to sue the pharmaceutical company and it was put on their acid EUA vaccine. Like never in history has that happened and kids were not dying from.

Speaker 1: 30:37

COVID.

Speaker 3: 30:37

Like it was super, like almost risk of zero for children. That was purely a move to have total protection and it all know.

Speaker 1: 30:45

Yeah, I know, but like so Pfizer had.

Speaker 3: 30:47

they were requesting and the FDA was requesting 75 years before they released the data on a vaccine and a federal judge actually said no, you have to actually start releasing it. So they started releasing it. Moderna never has had to release their own data. They're just now having discussions that they too had requested 25 years to release their data. Well, if it's so safe and effective, there's nothing to hide. Why are you not releasing it all?

Speaker 2: 31:12

Right All the time with anything Like that's without a doubt. I mean, where have we gone as a people, as a culture, as a society, where that's acceptable? That's not it. That's just that's not acceptable in any realm.

Speaker 4: 31:26

What is the reason they're giving for that? Or they must give some kind of reason.

Speaker 2: 31:30

Well, the only reason would be too hot.

Speaker 3: 31:32

So there's no other medical reason to not release it.

Speaker 1: 31:35

They're giving any reason like they're not saying.

Speaker 3: 31:37

That is just their right, they just know Because they they can't Right. So the same thing that that judge also said no, you got to release the data. But in the original Pfizer data there's a 23% increased risk of death in the vaccinated or the unvaccinated. In the original data there's over 1200 deaths in the original 90 days. You're like that's kind of important information for people to make an informed decision.

Speaker 3: 32:03

Right. So I think fortunately a lot of the truth is coming out. But then that created, you know, to still go into the idea. So they went after doctors for treating COVID patients that I was one of them. I was under investigation for treated COVID patients. Again, we didn't. Actually none of my patients died. There's a whole pandemic. None of my patients died. But my clinic there was one patient who died, that we know for sure and she's a one-time visit. But we treated over 1100 patients that were not ours, that were refused care from the primary care doctors, urgent cares, ers, and we're in trouble for treating them. We got reported about two pharmacists for prescribed abramectin and one pro-vaccine activist from California, and so then they kept. But they can't legally, and what can I actually get us for that? So then they they kept expanding the investigations to lack of supervision for nurse practitioners, like full of need every single week. So I'm way over the requirement for that oh telemedicine.

Speaker 3: 32:59

Oh yeah, we have all the worms there for telemedicine. So finally they got me on documentation. So thankfully I still have a license, but I'm having to do punishment and reeducation on documentation and then re-evaluation. But other doctors and mid-levels actually also licenses for just treating COVID patients early. How?

Speaker 4: 33:16

many doctors have been lost in the United States.

Speaker 3: 33:18

Oh, I don't know. I know a handful, personally, like I know a handful.

Speaker 1: 33:24

But I haven't seen the statistic.

Speaker 3: 33:26

But I was like if I knew that the personally across the country then, yeah, it's obviously not a lot, but I know a lot of doctors who told me they're like I want to treat but that will lose my job if I treat.

Speaker 4: 33:35

So you're just not allowed to treat pain.

Speaker 3: 33:38

We were told to wait until you were blue in the lips so you can breathe anymore.

Speaker 4: 33:42

And the medicine that she was prescribing was all over the world.

Speaker 3: 33:46

It's like it was on the World Health Organization.

Speaker 1: 33:49

Essential Medicine.

Speaker 3: 33:50

Ivermectin.

Speaker 4: 33:51

Yeah, so Ivermectin. You were not allowed to treat patients with Ivermectin, right?

Speaker 3: 33:56

It's like an essential medicine. It's been around for 40 some years. It was a Nobel Prize winning medicine and it has over 20, I think, five mechanisms of action that work.

Speaker 4: 34:06

And it's human form.

Speaker 3: 34:07

Human form. It's not like there's most medicines are used in veterinary medicine and adult, like human medicine, like it's interchangeable. And the irony is that one of the anti-marital that they did promote that was charging a lot of money was actually used for us in horses For horsey warmer, which is hilarious of that marketing thing. So you have this safe medicine that's actually safe for the title, the statistics are safe for the title.

Speaker 4: 34:33

Yeah well, yes, it's side effects Pretty low.

Speaker 3: 34:35

There's a risk but it's like the, the toxic levels are pretty high and there's always going to be some of who doesn't tolerate it and but there's like no real like deaths associated with it. And so it was. It was an interesting time that I was able, like I had to go through. It was an interesting spiritual growth opportunity for me because I had been kind of fighting the system for many years over my kids, vaccine reactions and not having a safe place for them to go, and hearing people say they don't deserve to drive, they don't deserve to go to college, they deserve to like and you heard during the pandemic, people deserve to be put in jail if they don't get vaccinated. And then when you see in mainstream medical articles they're like they actually literally in mainstream articles we should have, we should be able to take these children from their parents and then get them vaccinated and then when they're going to be vaccinated, then we can get them back.

Speaker 3: 35:25

Like this is a mainstream article, so you have this fear like it's fear based right. So I've had a lot of fear about my children's ability to have a future, you know. And yet I spent a ton of money and effort and tears and love and prayers to actually recover their health and they're great now, with some sequelae that's left over. But I mean, in general you wouldn't ever be able to tell. So I'm like. So then COVID happens. You're like I'm literally you can, totally can't treat patients in a pandemic Like this is nuts. And that's when you start, that's when you go down the level like all right, how deep does this really get?

Speaker 3: 36:02

Is this like this is. This is truly spiritual warfare at this point and it's the battle for human consciousness. And when you realize they understand the impact of the CIA and I know we've had conversations about like sort of the sources of some of the information. But like we already know about MKUltra, we know about these mind control things, we know about aliens and this kind of out there for people.

Speaker 3: 36:23

But you know about alien ships like like the, when the tachypum went off, and we have the alien ships like echelonin, and that's when we're able to get a lot of the technology from them. And so now the replication of alien technology and now we're using right now they're releasing information in mainstream news oh, the mother ships coming, the alien mother ships coming. They're teaching us to be afraid now of aliens because, well, we pretty much have beat up everyone around the world, so we need another outlet for our military industrial complex, right? So you're like okay, wow, so you have all that shift and we understand that they've already tapped into the ability to remove you and it's happening to our consciousness.

Speaker 4: 37:02

Yeah, they have paperwork for room up view and you can download the. Cia's paperwork for room up view and how to do it.

Speaker 1: 37:08

Right, right. So here we are, like this is truly a battle for human consciousness.

Speaker 3: 37:12

And that's when I realized, during this fight, that I was in. I was like, I mean, I was a wanted fighter, like it is in my, when you look at my, the human design, like it's literally a revolutionary fighter, question to everything, like you know.

Speaker 3: 37:27

And then, but then, as Facebook shut me down, shut me down, like literally, I could post it like no one would see it, I felt like totally trapped and like suddenly the voice I could use to help educate people was being totally silenced and it forced me to go inward. So there's a everything's used for good right. So you go inward and then it goes through this. All right, if I can't fight them, because it really darkness is so big and so powerful you can't fight them, then all right, what can I do then? That's when you become delight. So that I did.

Speaker 3: 38:04

I was kind of is like the whole thing was I put to rest my warrioress and wrote a eulogy for her and burned it in the fire and then, like, say goodbye to the warrioress, knowing that she's quick to return. And but how do I become that love person? How do I retrain myself to be really one that loves state instead of the fighting state and the protective? You know, state and that's been part of my gratitude for this pandemic is like shifting me into this right, we can't time for us to be the light. Like how do we the best way to fight, because you really had very narcissistic system. As long as I'm fighting them, then I'm giving them what they want power. That I'm giving them power and I want to give them more power.

Speaker 3: 38:48

So I'm here and now like, okay, how do I create the new system, how do I be part of? So? We're kind of I build a hospital called compass integrative health. It's an integrative hospital, having to put a little bit on hold due to the wedding and due to put up the board harassment, but once I get over the other end our growth to create an integrative center for sick people, because there's wellness places popping up all over the place. You know which is amazing.

Speaker 3: 39:13

What do you do when you're sick, when you're like, let's say we, for the next wave of pandemics that they promised us. How can we be able to? How can we like treat these people? And so, wow, like we, we have all this knowledge. Like we, we can have shamans, we can have priests, we can have whatever but sound frequency healing we have. You know, all this scalar energy we have all like and used for good. Enough for warfare.

Speaker 1: 39:41

One of the medvents made.

Speaker 3: 39:42

then we have medvents, there's all these different, like modalities that we can actually incorporate to help people heal, like chiropractors, acupuncture, like there's ancient wisdom. And so when I did another medicine ceremony for myself, when I got my medical word sentencing, I'm like what was me, you know? Like that went in the victim mode for a moment there. I'm like all right, it's not gonna get me anywhere, so all right. So I did my ceremony. I'm like all right, god, show me like what I'm supposed to do. And like he was like camey, this is your medicine. That's not your medicine anymore. It's time to say goodbye.

Speaker 3: 40:16

But this is your medicine and it wasn't to me like was mushrooms or it was just ancient wisdom. It's just the connection of all the plant medicines, it's the understanding of the energy, the quantum is the connection to God, the universe, and how can we heal on a different energetic spiritual level. And so that's why I'm like a little baby in this world. So it's like a little little baby, but that's but. That's for. The beauty of this pandemic for me is that and even I had a Chiron return.

Speaker 3: 40:48

You know, with Chiron return, so Chiron return apparently, which I don't know much about astrology, but it's where you get the opportunity to have your patterns come up to you, their dysfunctional at work speed. So then you get to choose to handle it a different way. Last year was my Chiron return, so and it was interesting, before that even happened in another ceremony I had goddess Kali come visit me. She's the first one that came to see me and this I didn't even know who it was. I literally was like, okay, my partner, pal, like he knows all this stuff.

Speaker 3: 41:26

I like look her up on google like I was like, uh, indian goddess, oh shit, goddess Kali, like that's goddess with death and destruction, and I didn't know what was about to happen. Basically, my clinic basically turned inside out but it's um, and it's super painful, like super painful experience, but at the same time it's like see the lesson this, see the lesson this. Yes, this person needs to go, the stuff needs to go, but you know, you combine that in with pandemic is right, for, like spiritual growth, right everything all at once everything all at once.

Speaker 3: 41:59

It was like everything, everywhere all at once, right, right. It was like like oh, my god it's like spiritual death yeah, I, literally I got to experience a spiritual death, and so then, at the end of that like you got the he got to go with me on a, an amazing talk.

Speaker 3: 42:14

Um, right before I finally, I think, had my because I've done the spiritual death and medicine plant medicine, which I, you know, I call him like I'm ready for it, ready for it. But then I got to do it without plant medicine and I did like an EMDR anger release because I was just angry at the world because, I even did a thermogram.

Speaker 3: 42:31

I don't know if you know what thermogram is it's like you do, like for breast imaging, you do whole body as well, and it looks for, uh, hot spots, asymmetry. So so my whole throat was bright, red, well red, and the thermo thermographer was like oh, what's going on your neck? That's a little bit more than just that right there, like what's happening. I'm like no one can hear me, like I can't get my voice out.

Speaker 3: 42:59

I can't like you know, I can't, I'm not heard anywhere and and like even in my own space. So it was like it fractured into work and my I mean on every level, so that I did this EMDR for anger release as long as Spotify, um, and it was a podcast about healing differently, because I really recommend it. But he says he says this is an intense one. If you've not done any work, don't start here and um that next day I did.

Speaker 3: 43:26

I was like I was like okay for the next day. Oh, my god, like I had an anger pouring out of my pores and and y'all don't know me like y'all- I'm not an angry person and and and I always like just don't feel anger. I even did hypnotherapy training for a year and a half and, like camey, you need to beat the pillow, you can't do it. I was like I just don't feel anger, I'm just unlucky that way, I'm just happy.

Speaker 3: 43:50

Oh, that day I got anger I mean, I oozed anger for about an hour and I was exhausted for like two days. It's like I really had that spiritual death that you go deaf in that moment and I just felt like it was amazing purged all that anger, I purged all the anger and it was amazing, and so that's the kind of stuff I get to talk to my patients about in the clinic.

Speaker 3: 44:14

Is that kind of spiritual opportunity for addressing their health? I mean, every day I can't avoid but talking about that. Oh, another cool thing and it's totally unrelated, but we went, I told you about it, how I told you about it. We went to um. We did a journey to spend the conference recently. Amazing, amazing and honestly I hate that guy's voice and before I did the uh thing, I'm like I don't know if I'm gonna handle that voice all the way along. But when you get there you like totally are able to get into it and I think you know they move along.

Speaker 3: 44:47

I'm pretty hyper, so for me to sit still is like not an easy task and I literally had these three-minute meditation things that old use. That's about as far as I can get down, like open my eye to, like see if that's three minutes.

Speaker 3: 45:00

That's me. I was able to meditate for hours. There it was. It really was a big shift for me. But all the way back we did um, had an experience with a 5MEO DMT and it was um always amazing. It's one of my favorite ones. That was biggest my ego out of the way, but all the way home uh, because it was an Asheville, there was this church on the side of this mountain. I wouldn't even see Asheville when I was like 18.

Speaker 3: 45:24

I had a very long kind of interesting course then too, but it's ended up in Asheville and it was this church. I'm like, oh, I can look there and I was with another guy at the time and he was not a healthy relationship, um, and he's like he just wasn't interested but it's like off I240 and there's like no roads going there, like I don't know how I could get there.

Speaker 3: 45:43

It's like on this mountain. I'm like I'd have to figure it out. I'm like busy for the last since so that was like 1991, okay, so a long time. So all this time, like every time I go in, I have to go to that someday. I won't go to that church someday. I won't go to that church.

Speaker 3: 45:59

I went through another guy same thing, he's like, whatever like, but I don't know what he was going to say, that he's fate Women's be there with someone special. I didn't want to go by myself. Just so you know I'm not co-dependent. I've been to Europe by myself. I mean, actually I've been by myself internationally. I'm not a lonely person, but I wanted.

Speaker 2: 46:20

You felt drawn to this vibe with another person, with another person.

Speaker 3: 46:23

All these years. Finally, we drove by and I was with Kyle, my beloved, and I was like God, something's going to stop. He's like let's go right now.

Speaker 3: 46:31

I'm like excited, so he googled it, found it, and so he drove me right up there. I got emotional up there on the mountain and then because this is keeping mind, this is after my Europe-Kyra return it's supposed to be a pandemic. This is just turning 50. So it's like really wrapping everything up beautifully just like a couple of weeks ago, and so I kind of get emotional when I'm up there. It's a church that was built in like 1846. And so it's really cute. It has this old cemetery up on the mountain. So we did one of the Joda Spins and Meditations and we go up around and, interestingly, a funeral which again, I don't know what these I felt like it felt significant. We don't really know why, maybe someday we will, but there's a In this random old cemetery. There's a funeral at the time that we just happened to stop in, so but we did this nice little walk and we did the walk in meditation.

Speaker 3: 47:25

that if you're familiar with it, it was like really nice and at the end it says, all right, think about the old cammy. So I went back to when I was little and all these highlights. But then I started telescoping back into all those times I was on the I-240.

Speaker 3: 47:42

And I was like sucked back into all those cammy's where it like come in and telescoping around. And then she came around and I was able to you know how we bear a hug I got that hug. I hugged myself. So I'm like really hugged me myself and into my heart's, fused into that one and love I was like love for myself. But then the recognition of those, all those times I was driving I was thinking of that moment with me and Kyle.

Speaker 4: 48:16

I was being pulled into that moment in the quantum all those years, that's all your future self was waiting to do Right, right Amazing. Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 1: 48:32

What's it is.

Speaker 3: 48:33

Like everyone could feel that.

Speaker 4: 48:37

Right, everyone just did.

Speaker 3: 48:40

That's it. Love that, the Pulling in all those timelines into that one moment Like.

Speaker 4: 48:51

And it's that self love, self love. That's it right there, because all these other cammy's been looking for the love somewhere. Whatever it's like the love had to come from you Exactly. That was the rebirth from the past.

Speaker 1: 49:06

Right, right. So I done that like anger release thing. Like just.

Speaker 3: 49:10

I think maybe two or three weeks before it wasn't much before.

Speaker 1: 49:14

And then I had that.

Speaker 3: 49:15

But it still takes practice, you know, for listeners out there, because it's you're so conditioned and we're having to really undo the conditioning. So for my 50th my work got to get. They wrote these nice things on a piece of paper and they framed it Like, oh, you know this nice, you know that's really meaningful things. And then she's like now read it and I'm like. I can't read it. She's like don't read it. I'm like awkward saying nice things about myself.

Speaker 3: 49:44

You know this that conditioning that we're not supposed to ever remember hearing you don't want to be conceited you don't want to be stuck up, you know you don't, if you can't be too possible yourself, because then that's going to make other people feel lesser than you need to dim your light so other people can shine, right, it's all that conditioning that we have enough light for all of us to shine. The world is sort of better than all of us can shine, and so of course I read it and I was like it's one of my favorite emotional cries because it just really was cathartic too. It was like, oh, those things about love. How can we be so much we think we want love but then when we feel it it's like it's such a, it's just like such a familiar, unfamiliar place or unfamiliar, familiar place. But that's something that we have to like really practice to overcome our conditioning of the greater society and our families, and they all did their best but they were trained to not love themselves too.

Speaker 3: 50:42

And that's what we're really facing is just a truly an epidemic of lack of self-love, lack of connection to God and our hearts, our source energy, and, like you know, to go inward like that. And I can tell you, until I had this last two or three years of that, really I've never even discovered plant medicine at all. I was like very judgmental, like, oh, I don't do drugs. You know, I've been during during being like that and in the last three years I've been able to experience that and go so inward I'm feeling onion layers Like how can we responsibly bring this in a safe way to people? I'm sure the power of it, and so that's where I'm. That's my next foray. It's another MAPS conference.

Speaker 2: 51:26

And I even hesitate.

Speaker 3: 51:27

But that one is like why is the AMA supporting this?

Speaker 1: 51:30

Why is the FGA supporting this?

Speaker 3: 51:31

I can trust this, but I'm like I'm gonna go and like learn what they say and then try to combine that way I can protect myself legally and all that, and then learn the sacred ways and try to bring that together. So there's all these kind of people here. That's amazing, this community.

Speaker 4: 51:51

I think we, like circled around from all that conversation, that the biggest thing that came out of that is love.

Speaker 2: 51:57

Love Right, self love, absolutely Self, and the only reason I say that? Because self love is the gateway to, because, if everybody was doing it, the more you love yourself, the more you start to say, well, because that's and again, I love to bring that very opportunity, again because it ties into the oneness, it's the oneness of everything. Again, though, all that we're talking about is based on our foundational desire to reconnect with the oneness, with the love, like we want to thrive versus just survive, which we brought up in other podcast, which we are intended to do, however lendably otherwise.

Speaker 3: 52:43

Yeah, and so may I'm able to see. If you can lend yourself and then Love yourself, then it's easier to forgive other people that show your mirror to yourself Absolutely, and you're like, oh yeah, I do that too. Alright, I can't not love them because I'm the same, you know. It's just some extent I mean yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 53:06

So, without being self-loving the thing, so I think you want to think, do it okay, yeah, self-love how do I do that? What does that mean? I think a lot of people, you know I sometimes am like yeah, totally I know self-love, but then like how do I actually like? Do you have any practices that you would recommend, or you would recommend to your patients or anybody of like, how to access or practice self-love Like you really like?

Speaker 3: 53:32

The meditation really has been a nice shift for me because I struggled, like I said, making that a priority and yeah, I have four kids and my own business and trying to build a hospital and manage a you know.

Speaker 3: 53:44

All things are all busy you know we're all busy and it's easy, but it's amazing, now that I've done the Dispens-a-Conference, how much I'm able to make it a priority with our own. The time is really. It's like how many been time. You know, it might not be the hour-long meditation that he does, sometimes just the 15 minute one, but it's something right. So the meditation thing I talk to them about, but then honestly I see they're a good therapist to at least get them started that they've not done any kind of work, because I did years of therapy and because I was in a very unhealthy marriage and so I did years of therapy. But at some point you come to get a wall. You're like okay, you just feel like now you're just complaining all the time.

Speaker 3: 54:28

You know at first it's nice because you can unload on someone that's not your favorite mover that you just like put all that negative into them and at some point you're like okay, well, I'm not getting anywhere, okay.

Speaker 3: 54:38

The next step is to move inward, and for some people they can just do meditations and that's all they need. They don't need the plant medicine. For me, I needed it to teach me because I couldn't get past my own noises in my head and my own ego and my own stubbornness and my own ideas of how I wanted things to be. And so then, when I was able to explore that safely and I always did it with guides- I would really recommend doing it with guides for people out there, especially if you've never done it before.

Speaker 3: 55:11

You'll never do this by yourself. I think. To start off with, do your research, do your research, do your research, know who is doing it, because there's dark energies out there. There are people out there who are just making money off of people.

Speaker 3: 55:23

So it's like I think I took me a year and a half to research before I actually jumped into my first one, which is very unlike me, because I'm usually a jump in, I think later I kind of still was like that in it compared to like Kyle, but then plant medicine might be a way and within plant medicine I mean that's where he kind of likes it. They have great documentaries these days, Like that Psychedelica Gaia they have. They have a good trip to go into. They have a good trip when it's hilarious. If you haven't seen it, it's a very funny way of discussing it, but also discussing urbanness related to it, you know, like on Netflix or something.

Speaker 4: 56:00

It's hilarious.

Speaker 3: 56:03

And then there's Halogen in your mind. There's Dr Fadiman videos for people out there. So it's worth researching and understanding. But then get to know the person. I get like really references from people who are serving medicine and having ceremonies. They are of a good alignment because I have a good friend, that kind of. She's now officially like I don't know what diagnosis she has, but she has some psychosis now, not from plant medicine but from working with us Early energy working people and it went triggered. It was like really bad. That's a whole other story of tragedy. So there are dark energies out there where people take advantage of people seeking to be enlightened and going on this path. So along those lines.

Speaker 2: 56:48

So just real quick, because I just want to add this, because we've talked about this numerous times in different forms Aside from doing your research, even before you do your research, one of the most important things that you can do that is absolutely vital is set your sacred intention. If you set your sacred intention, that is going and then allow that to happen I mean again for all those people out there, from the spiritual standpoint I'm talking about, however you want to describe it God's source, universe creator you set that intention within yourself and watch what happens. That is vital.

Speaker 3: 57:22

And making sure you're not given too much power to other people, because it's not about them, it's about yourself.

Speaker 3: 57:27

What is serving my higher good, and so if something doesn't feel right to you, you just don't do it Because even if it might be right for you in three years now, it might not be right for you now, and so it's trusting your inner voice and your intuition. But for me, I can tell you I'm pretty open about this point, because three years ago I've been like, again, total stigma. And for those of you who don't really understand this, like pharma, pharma has ever reason to create the stigma around these medicines, because these medicines have high rates of cure for alcohol and drug addiction, ptsd, anxiety, depression I mean really amazing data like dating back to at least the 50s in American culture. I'm sure there's more history somewhere else that Alan even know about. So it's medically amazing and for people who are skeptical, it would make sense to you that you can't patent and you can't make money off of, so it makes sense to get rid of it.

Speaker 3: 58:30

You don't create life wrong. Like most people, when they do plant medicine, they do it here and here and here, but then they don't need it for a while. It's not meant for ongoing use. And you know, literally I tried it at a festival two days in a row, like woohoo, like I just probably didn't know I've done it that way socially. Third day, you know, I said like nope, you're tapped out.

Speaker 3: 58:52

You're done. It's like you can't do this stuff regularly and that's something to be aware of for people out there too. But yeah, I've done ayahuasca, ademi-odn-t. You know. I've done some other ones. I can't remember the names of them because I have some kind of MMV or MMC or something like that.

Speaker 1: 59:14

Mmda, mdma, there's all these things I've done with intention.

Speaker 3: 59:16

I've done it with intention and, of course, my tiles. Like, basically, already he's my spaceholder. Like, I have an amazing person who already, like, was born. I think he's just a born shaman. Anyway. So I have that benefit of having that person to but that we integrate like and having someone to integrate with, and so now there's more.